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Reply mitchellbravo, August 11th, 2011, 9:56 pm

I imagine that Aggie speaks for many of the readers of this comic.

And as for Cecilia, Heart to heart advice, from one mannish looking lady to another.

To be fully honest, I have nothing against Marie's haircut. In fact I had a similar haircut that was a little more butch-looking about two years ago. But this is also the 21st century. People in the 1910s and 20s weren't too keen on the "Embrace your individuality! Being different is okay!" thing. If you wanted to rebel against the norm (or had no choice), well, there were plenty of freak show troupes roaming around.


READER'S DISCUSSION:

Reply piconano, August 12th, 2011, 2:51 am

Quite true. I thought Marie was a man at first!

Also, out of the entire cast, I like her the most. Yay Marie!

Reply mitchellbravo, August 12th, 2011, 11:28 am

The best part is that years ago when I first started brainstorming for this comic, she was supposed to be really feminine and flowery and genteel XD But the amount of fun it is to draw her facial expressions easily trumps any gender confusion, in my opinion.

Reply blackmoongirl2424, August 17th, 2011, 9:07 pm

She speaks the truth, Marie. But in ways it very much fits her and makes her expressions pop out more.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 24th, 2014, 1:17 pm

Yeaaah, pretty much... I still get some crap about my haircut from people sometimes (especially since my hair is kinda wavy so it's like "ooh you have nice hair, why do you have to chop it off, it's not feminine!") but at least now THOSE people are the out-of-time ones and back in the 1910s it must have been brutal.

I always liked history and sometimes I regret not setting Cop Story in, I dunno, the 50s or the 70s, but then I think about how my characters would live then, especially the ones who are disabled, and decided I better stick to present times... It was always hard being "weird" in some way but these days it's at least somewhat decent in most cases.

Also I rarely get to talk about it but the idea that "female characters must look obviously female!!" in comics is a bit annoying for me - I can think of a lot of people irl (myself included) who get mistaken for other gender occasionally and I don't think it's a big deal, this slight confusion never killed anyone! It's like, if someone is interested in following the story they'll soon learn about all the characters, and if they are not the details don't matter anyway... If an intentionally feminine character ends up looking like a docker then yeah, it's a problem, but if it's a natural way for a character to be I don't see any issue there!

Reply mitchellbravo, July 24th, 2014, 4:35 pm

@Oly-RRR: @Oly-RRR: Alt-history Cop Story would be neat, but like you said, times were even less forgiving than they are now :/ I'd like to think, for instance, that if Joseph came of age nowadays (and somehow had the same accident/result) he'd have more activities available to him, like at least swimming I would think, and probably would have less a chip on his shoulder. I'd hate to think of the garbage Houston and his friends and classmates would have to put up with back then, the condescension and the assumptions... ugh!

The Hair Ninnies are a real barrel of monkeys to deal with, aren't they? Mine typically were placated if I told them I was donating the hair, because that at least made it "acceptable" to them. Feh. I have the face of a twelve year old. Even the butchest haircut couldn't make me look manly :P

I agree with what you said in the last paragraph there. It's like those old Jack Hamm How-to-draw-characters books- men can run the gamut from handsome to absurdly ugly, but unless you want your lady characters to be a one-note joke, they'd better all look pretty! It's just so dull. Mankind comes in so many different varieties and quirks- why whitewash half of it just for the sake of manufactured prettiness, you know? There is beauty to be found in all faces.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 24th, 2014, 4:36 pm

@Oly-RRR: Alt-history Cop Story would be neat, but like you said, times were even less forgiving than they are now :/ I'd like to think, for instance, that if Joseph came of age nowadays (and somehow had the same accident/result) he'd have more activities available to him, like at least swimming I would think, and probably would have less a chip on his shoulder. I'd hate to think of the garbage Houston and his friends and classmates would have to put up with back then, the condescension and the assumptions... ugh!

The Hair Ninnies are a real barrel of monkeys to deal with, aren't they? Mine typically were placated if I told them I was donating the hair, because that at least made it "acceptable" to them. Feh. I have the face of a twelve year old. Even the butchest haircut couldn't make me look manly :P

I agree with what you said in the last paragraph there. It's like those old Jack Hamm How-to-draw-characters books- men can run the gamut from handsome to absurdly ugly, but unless you want your lady characters to be a one-note joke, they'd better all look pretty! It's just so dull. Mankind comes in so many different varieties and quirks- why whitewash half of it just for the sake of manufactured prettiness, you know? There is beauty to be found in all faces.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 24th, 2014, 10:59 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, pretty much! I can imagine Chance getting by but Houston and company would face spending most of their lives either in a back room of their parents' houses or in some care home (depending on the family, really). :[

Modern!Joseph definitely could take up swimming - it's summer and I'm drawing crazy amounts of characters in swimming pools, so I did a couple of searches and there's really neat life jackets for disabled these days - it's safe to let Houston swim in those so I think Joseph would be fine.

And yeah, cartooning is weird that way - it can both break prejudices and be built on very strong prejudices. And we sort of learn all baggage that subconsciously when we start drawing and figure out which parts of it to keep or drop later.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 25th, 2014, 8:36 am

@Oly-RRR: Yeah, Chance could always spin it like it's a war wound- people tend to be more respectful toward injured veterans. But for the others... jeez, it's just really heartbreaking to imagine.

Oh that's cool! Joseph's musculature is for the most part all there, so swimming would take the joint pressure aspect out of the equation which is usually his issue.

Yes, very true!!

Reply Squirreltastic-Blue, December 15th, 2014, 10:18 am

Guilty. I originally thought Marie was male.

Reply mitchellbravo, December 15th, 2014, 3:15 pm

@Squirreltastic-Blue: Definitely understandable. Even today she would look androgynous, as I'd assume she'd wear pretty ambiguous clothing. She didn't have- pardon the pun- the balls to wear pants and stuff during this time, though I know some women did, depending on their occupation. But she tends not to get too dressy or pretty, either way.


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