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Reply mitchellbravo, April 26th, 2012, 4:40 pm

This page was really fun to draw and ink.

I still hate coloring and probably always will.

I'll try to churn out another page before next Friday, which will be move-out day from college. My poor little heart beats so sadly. I'm starting to really "feel" the fact that my college years are coming to an end.

Thanks for reading.


Reply Oly-RRR, July 25th, 2014, 4:08 pm

Awww Joseph! ;A;

I'm really impressed you worked on these pages around graduating - for me the last few of months before thesis defence were a sort of a blackout. I didn't even miss anything by the end of it, I just wanted it to be over.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 25th, 2014, 6:43 pm

@Oly-RRR: I was lucky in that I had a pretty small workload for my major, so I never really had "academics" as an excuse for not getting things done, just laziness. *sigh* Wish I'd worked harder and done things differently, but it's in the past now, so...

What did you study in school?

Reply Oly-RRR, July 25th, 2014, 7:45 pm

@mitchellbravo: Illustration. I ended up in a school that was geared more towards classic fine arts than cartoons (there was a department for digital arts but it was for the birds) so most things I did there were far from what I was interested in and most professors saw my cartooning skills more as a flaw than anything else. I guess it gave me more varied skills as a result but was far from fantastic creative times people usually describe when they talk about their art schools. By the time I was starting to work on my thesis my main requirement for the possible thesis advisor was "should allow me to work in a style I like".

And yeah, I also wish I did things differently, but nobody knows how things would turn out then, really...

What about you?

Reply mitchellbravo, July 25th, 2014, 8:43 pm

@Oly-RRR: I'm sorry your experience wasn't what you were hoping for :( Art school wasn't ever something I really considered, just because I never felt I'd be able to spin it into a career. Now though, who knows. Maybe I'd have been better off, maybe not.

I went for Communication with a focus on radio, TV and film production. Once I graduated I wound up not pursuing it though- even though I enjoyed it a lot during college, when it came the time to actually seriously think careers, I realized a lot of problems that I should have caught on to earlier. :/ Well, live and learn I guess. So now I'm just kind of floating through, waiting to find what it is I'm meant to do. I try not to live with regrets, because there's a lot I'm thankful for from my experience. But on the whole the American college/university "system" is so screwed up that I think a lot of it would need to change in order for me to confidently say things would have worked out better if I'd done things differently.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 25th, 2014, 9:56 pm

@mitchellbravo: Aw, honestly I feel that art education should be targeted more at people who want to learn not at people who are already good - I've seen a lot of people who started off as weaker artists getting ahead of top students because they worked hard instead of relying on talent. I think it was what I did too - just drawing a lot. I was stubborn and decided I'd go into art and not language studies (as my parents hoped) and looking back, I guess I'd have more doubts if I had a better idea of what I was getting into.

And don't be too hard on yourself! I think life in general is a lot of sort of wandering around and it's a bit funny to expect basically teenagers to make a solid decision about their career for the rest of their life. Since I've graduated I realised that not only I like telling stories more than drawing and that drawing is just my preferred way of telling stories but also that I'm not sure I want to do either for a living. It feels a bit selfish to complain about an art job with how hard it is to get any job these days but I end up drawing a lot of crap - from concept to visual side, and it's not me being lazy, it's the requirements of my current job. I don't get to grow artistically at all there and, well, if I could find a non-art job with similar upsides I guess I'd take it so the only things I'd have to draw would be my own projects. It's not something I expected during my education at all and I have no clue where I'll end up in a few years. So I guess my point is that it's more complicated than "pick what you're good at - study it - get a job in that field" and like you said, there is a lot of issues with the education system. Like my school was preparing us for the industry of the 70s, nobody bothered to cover digital art and discouraged us from doing it. Most professors seemed to expect us to illustrate classical literature upon graduating - which seemed pretty irresponsible to me even before I actually got to work in the field. It's like, how many new editions of Homer and such do you see published each year? Hardly enough to give a regular job even to one artist...

Reply mitchellbravo, July 25th, 2014, 10:29 pm

@Oly-RRR: Thanks for sharing about your experience with it. I've heard stories from different people with varying degrees of perceived value. That's so interesting about the classical literature illustration thing, I never would even have thought about that being a thing that would have a whole field for it. Lol, like you said, there can't be that many people needed to get that done, right?

Hehe, I've come to realize that I'm more of a storyteller than an artist, myself :) I think that's why I'm so drawn (booo) to sequential art as opposed to other forms. Just visual literature, you know?

Are you a graphic designer right now? One of my dear friends does that, she gets some really interesting stories out of it, but I can understand how it can weigh on a person if it starts to burn you out on your ability to draw your own stuff. That's part of why I was hesitant to pursue art seriously- I enjoy it as a hobby, but was unsure whether it would be a good move, on multiple levels, to actually try to make it a career.

I also went into college with a pretty poor work ethic because I was used to skating by and still getting good grades in high school. By my last year of college, that turned around as I suddenly realized the joy of doing something well just for the sake of doing it well, but that was late in the game for me academically and I think in general I just wasn't ready in a maturity sense to use college the way it's "supposed" to be done.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 10:59 am

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, agreed about visual literature! :D

I'm more of an illustrator now, drawing stuff for two local magazines (one is about servers, the other is for kids). I did study graphic design (and book layout and page proof which is a whole separate beast) but I knew I wanted a job that would allow me to draw a lot, not just to do something design-related. So that bit is okay but otherwise I am often given mediocre assignments and asked to draw them in some awful way. I got asked to design a character last month... It was a kid who's "both a spy and a scientist- oh and also has a cute pink dragon so girls like him too!" and as if that wasn't enough they want them to have huge weirdly-shaped anime eyes because THAT'S WHAT ALL KIDS LIKE, RIGHT? And it's all in awful colours because the paper they print on can't take a big variety of colours. But of course a job is a job so I draw all that but... it's so hard to draw something that you not only dislike but just KNOW that this drawing is off, stuff they approve is stuff I itch to fix, like my whole brain tells me "it's not right to draw like that". But for some reason being an artist doesn't mean having any input even on the visual side of things, let alone the whole concept...

I dunno if it's the current trends that annoy me so much or the industry always was like that because cartoons of the 90s seem way less suffocating. :/ Nickelodeon alone was crazy...

So yeah, at the moment I treat it as any boring job and try to forget about it and draw my own stories as soon as it's done. It can be a bit tiring but 9 to 5 jobs are even more tiring, I guess.

And aaw. I was mostly drawing either assignments or my own stuff all through the uni so I feel that I completely missed on the whole typical college experience. So sometimes I'm not sure what college is supposed to be about anymore - studying a lot, not studying much or something in between?

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 12:59 pm

@Oly-RRR: Oh man, I know that would suck to deal with, but your "bad design choices" story is making me laugh so hard. It's like where do people get these ideas and why don't they ever trust the people schooled in these things to make it look better XD

I always wonder about that when I see some store or business with a really badly drawn mascot. I usually guess they probably got a relative or family friend to make it for them, but now I'm realizing it's possible some of the cases are people asking artists capable of much better to do it, which is sad but also still funny in a sad way.

Tiring is different things to different people, for sure. I guess everyone has their own threshold for being able to do certain types of work. I think a lot of it must be luck, honestly.

It's weird, some people go into college and just work their asses off every minute of the day, some go to pay $40,000 a year for the privilege of attending parties. I guess it just kind of unfolds from whatever type of person you were before entering college- dependent of course also on the field of study you enter.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 1:41 pm

@mitchellbravo: Haha, yeah, I know what you mean - it really annoys me when I have to deal with it but the character they had on covers before they decided to introduce that unfortunate kid was an ANTHROPOMORPHIC HUMAN BRAIN which looked creepy no matter how I drew it and that used to be my go-to anecdote for parties with mixed companies of artists and not. :D Looking back, I definitely prefer the brain, at least he stood out in a crowd.

But yeah, creepy/weird mascots are a whole separate theme! I'm building up a mental library of them same as bad social posters. :D

And good point! I know I should probably try to exercise more but it takes me just one day of something mundane like spending the day out walking to feel like I'm ABOUT TO DIE when I get home and lots of people seem to just whizz about like Duracell/Energizer bunnies.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 1:46 pm


Oh that's right!!! You can make use of these things in those "motivational" posters the kids have to suffer through in the backgrounds XD

Aaah tell me about it. I seem to get exhausted at random times for no discernable reason. I think it's probably in my case dietary but it's not really fortuitous for getting things done >:( I'm trying to make better choices these days, but old habits are REALLY hard to break.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 2:07 pm

@mitchellbravo: I gave up trying to understand their thought process, it's like they switch from things that seem weird even by my standards to things that couldn't be more average with no middle ground between the two. XD

And yesss! I have a bunch of posters in the page I'm working on these days but I think they'll end up too small for anything meaningful to be on them.

Yeah, human bodies are weird and seem to lead some mysterious life of their own sometimes. D: And I suspect most webcomic artists could benefit from healthier lifestyles but then the healthiest lifestyle probably means eating only stuff that isn't that tasty and not getting to do most things we like (like sitting around reading and drawing comics) and it doesn't seem like a very happy life...

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 2:18 pm

@Oly-RRR: That's amazing, lmao. Re: the small posters, that's something I still struggle to find the balance of. Like I want to include enough details to make stuff seem authentic but sometimes you have to just keep things simple because they won't come through well when the page is resized for the web.

I think you're right about that :P Seems like most webcomic artists I know are out of shape and depressed. But like you said, bad food just tastes happier and there are too many sedentary pleasures in this world XD

Tho I admit sometimes when I'm trying to convince myself up to go for a jog I can guilt myself into it by thinking about Joseph and real people like him, who'd love to be able to just run at all, and I had better make use of the legs I have while they still work XP

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 2:28 pm

@mitchellbravo: Same here! I do pencils and lineart traditionally and quite large and even after I scan that I can never guess how it'll look smaller until I zoom out, it can be really hit or miss.

And sometimes I guilt-trip myself into being more active with the same thoughts! :D

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