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Reply mitchellbravo, March 20th, 2013, 3:44 pm

So, in the time and place in which Loud Era is set, if you were an immigrant family, be you Italian, Irish, Polish, whatever, people weren't really accepting of outside cultures coming in and taking all their jobs. Sounds familiar, dunnit? Anyhow, you pretty much had two choices. You could either avoid as much contact with mainstream culture as possible by living in an isolated (socially if not geographically) community with others from your point of origin, or you could assimilate to the main culture as much as was reasonably possible.

Leon's family came to the United States from Germany in the late 1800's- he's actually a second generation American. As such, his family considers themselves more American than Jewish. You'll note that Leon doesn't always keep his head covered, and he has sideburns instead of payos, just like Joseph, Eddie, and Tony do.

Despite all this, he's still technically Jewish as far as Clarabelle and her family (and most of American society at the time) are concerned. Mixed race relationships were VERY uncommon then, and to be honest it's really a bit odd that Clarabelle went to prom with Leon in the first place. Of course, there's more to Clarabelle than we can see at face value, so who knows?

Tuesday, Tuesday, come back Tuesday, gee willikers I sure do hope you'll come read again

HOLY COW FOLKS, THIS IS THE 150TH PAGE! Well, the 146th. I guess the chapter covers don't count :/


Reply TheSilverLeague, March 22nd, 2013, 7:55 pm

well that didn't end too well

Reply Ddraigeneth, March 22nd, 2013, 9:50 pm

I like the impression of flowers you did in the second panel. Also, the lighting in the middle. The page looks pretty nice in general.

Reply mitchellbravo, March 23rd, 2013, 6:58 pm

@TheSilverLeague: Went over like a lead balloon, as they say in old country.

@Ddraigeneth: Thanks! I'm glad the flowers turned out alright, by this point I was quite fatigued from drawing them. This was a fun page to construct.

Reply The_Hankerchief, March 25th, 2013, 7:24 pm

I had a sad. :(

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 1:25 pm

This is so heartbreaking! :[ But yeah, this stuff happened (and still happens in a way) in real life so I'd rather have it mentioned in fiction instead of avoiding the problem. I think this storyline is really good so far!

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 1:42 pm

@Oly-RRR: Aww thanks! I was worried when I wrote it that it was going to scare off some readers because it's one of those things that's kinda awkward even in real life and can be handled really poorly in fiction. The feedback I've gotten has been pretty much all positive though, which seems to indicate I did it alright :)

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 1:56 pm

@mitchellbravo: I know what you mean, when I plan some heavy subject of this sort to turn up in the story I keep worrying what if someone reads it wrong and uhh assumes something about me as a person just because I don't paint it black-and-white. But these stories can be really rewarding when written well and I think it's something that should be discussed in a thought-provoking way more, it seems more effective than just saying that some attitude is not okay.

I think it's great that we see Clarabelle as a good person with some bad views influenced by the society she lives in and not some kind of shallow villain.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 2:02 pm

@Oly-RRR: Thanks! That last part of what you said there was my main concern. I'm not trying to tell anybody how to live their lives and how to think, I'm just trying to tell a story that touches people on some level.

Heh yeah, I remember you mentioning some disclaimers in the "Jarvis dips his toe into Nazism" comic the other day. It's a frustrating thing about writing- you can write about mass murderers and no one will think it makes YOU a mass murderer, but give a character an unsavory viewpoint and some folks will assume it means you share, condone, and support that view. :(

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 2:21 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, exactly! It's really frustrating when people see any negative trait in a protagonist as something you support! And vise-versa, when you have an antagonist belonging to some marginalised group some people assume you paint the whole group black - I see a lot of rants about disabled people being either victims or villains in stories and while I understand that sentiment (and cringe at stories with the usual CRAZY MENTAL MURDERERS) it's like, come on, at least half Cop Story characters are disabled in some way, I can't seriously expect none of them to ever become criminals or victims or never display any kind of questionable views. It wouldn't be proper writing either, it would be like that token disabled kid in preschool shows that never does anything besides being nice and smiling...

Honestly, the exact boundary between a good person and a bad person is so blurred and different for everyone and re-defined with time that I start to think that Cop Story should count as a story of the DISASTER MOVIE genre because the only real villains I see there are situations rather than people.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 2:37 pm

@Oly-RRR: Yes! The best thing we can hope for is to write well-rounded characters who aren't all-or-nothing archetypes. That's always been a pet peeve of mine as well- look at our character who is [minority]! Look how open minded we are to include them! And then the character has literally no traits and just passively takes up space in the story.

That's a really interesting way to look at it. The experiences we go through are what shape us to be the people we grow into. I dislike use of the word "evil" to describe real-life people- acts can be evil, but describing people that way just makes it easy to convince ourselves we could never do anything that bad, and pat ourselves on the back for how relatively good we are. It leads to complacency and problems when someone's faced with something that isn't just black and white.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 3:17 pm

@mitchellbravo: That's a very good point, both of those! I think the reason I drifted towards crime fiction was not because of the mystery whodunnit element (honestly both real and fictional investigations depend more on getting enough information in time than intricate logical puzzles) but more because that when it's written well it discusses and questions our judgements of acts and occasionally people. It's usually very visible when something is written as "that's a bad thing to do but I can't say I'd NEVER end up doing that and it's scary to think about" or just "that's the bad guy!" Sometimes I think modern crime dramas end up more psychological more because of the need to do something new than society becoming more tolerant or thoughtful but then I stumble on something modern and flatly written and am surprised someone still goes for that. :P

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 3:23 pm

@Oly-RRR: Agreed on all counts! The best moment, I feel, in a lot of crime programming is that moment, however brief, where you understand and can even sympathize with the criminal. Again, without condoning what the person did, but when it's written in such a way that you remember "Hey, there's a person in there whose circumstances led them to think that was a great idea."

Reply Oly-RRR, July 26th, 2014, 3:58 pm

@mitchellbravo: Definitely!

...I think if anyone reads all these comments up to this point it will look like the Mating Dance Of Writers Having Similar Views On Writing. :D Probably something like this except mutual - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dx2CUMtZ-0

Reply mitchellbravo, July 26th, 2014, 4:10 pm

@Oly-RRR: LMAO YES. YES. "Omg you have a blue patch??? I HAVE A BLUE PATCH TOO!!" *tail slap tail slap*

Reply Squirreltastic-Blue, December 15th, 2014, 12:49 pm

I'm crying my gigantic squirrel eyes out. It's a hard world to live in.

Reply mitchellbravo, December 15th, 2014, 3:32 pm

@Squirreltastic-Blue: blublbulbublubulblubulbub :C

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