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Reply mitchellbravo, December 11th, 2013, 7:01 pm

I looked at my list of goals I made last December for the year 2013. One goal was "Finish chapters 4 and 5 of Loud Era this year."

There are twelve weekdays left in the year

Guess how many pages are left of chapter 5.

Make it rain.


Reply TheSilverLeague, December 15th, 2013, 11:34 pm

A lot...? I can't even tell how many pages we're into this page, it isn't labeled in the actual comic-site do-dad!

Reply Sortelli (Guest), December 16th, 2013, 11:59 am

I'm picturing you throwing pages into the air one by one and they are slowly drifting down before the camera.

Reply mitchellbravo, December 16th, 2013, 1:59 pm

@TheSilverLeague: There are twelve pages left in chapter 5.
And if you look on the archive or in the URL for each page it tells you what chapter number and page we're on. I haven't yet found a way that I really like to display the comic titles on the comic page itself.

@Sortelli: With overused stock effect old-fashioned camera exposure soudns?????

Reply Sortelli (Guest), December 16th, 2013, 8:13 pm

Yes, all that and some twerking honeys

Reply Oly-RRR, July 28th, 2014, 5:55 pm

Heheheh Joseph.

For some reason I really like the birds in the last panel - I like sneaking random fauna into panels when I can, glad to see you do it too! :D

Reply mitchellbravo, July 28th, 2014, 6:16 pm

@Oly-RRR: Yaaaaay commonalities!! XD I always feel like the artist for the newspaper comic Mark Trail when I do random close-ups of animals. It hasn't happened too often in this comic but I can see it becoming A Thing in some farm scenes in an upcoming chapter :D

Reply Oly-RRR, July 28th, 2014, 7:08 pm

@mitchellbravo: I had to look it up - woah, that's a lot of animals!

I used to sneak rodents and dogs into nearly every illustration I did for school when the setting allowed but with with Cop Story being set in the city and mostly indoors it's not that easy. Maybe later when the opportunity arises! :D

Reply mitchellbravo, July 28th, 2014, 8:04 pm

@Oly-RRR: I sense a side story- Cop Story, RSPCA Adventures!!

Reply Oly-RRR, July 28th, 2014, 9:24 pm

@mitchellbravo: Hahaha! There ARE some dogs in the story but all of them are far ahead page-wise. But yeah, anything is possible - I know the end of many arcs ahead but I don't feel comfortable figuring out the end to the overall webcomic yet, for all I know I might get to draw old Chance chasing annoying kids off his lawn with a cane. XD I wonder if you feel like that? I mean people often say that you should know how the story ends but with slice-of-life stuff often it's like, I don't know my own future so I don't feel comfortable defining a full stop for my characters either.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 28th, 2014, 10:29 pm

@Oly-RRR: Why am I picturing them being anthropomorphic dogs??? XD Ooohh, are some of them going to be therapy dogs? I'll have to tell you someday about the regular customer from my old work with her therapy dog... she was a real piece of work, lol.

You know, it's really weird. When I first got the idea for Loud Era, it was the end of tenth grade and I was on the bus ride home from a band trip. I think I had a vague idea for a WWI period story I wanted to do but hadn't created anything steady of it yet. Anyway, I was listening to, of all things, "The End" by The Doors and to my head I suddenly envisioned these eight very vague, basically template main characters and the ways they would end up dying. :|

Since then a lot of it has changed, for instance one of my main cast was originally supposed to be dead from the story's onset (back when it was supposed to be much grimmer and like i said way more pretentious and stupid than it's turned out XD), a lot of things have changed around- but I have the end, like "the last scene" pretty well set up. I don't know whether I'll actually get there, but that's "the official end" if I end up with a terminal disease and want to squirt it out quick before I croak XP

However, it's the stuff getting us from here to there I'm not sure about. There are a few "long arcs," some of whose seeds have already been planted so to speak, but there's a lot of unexplored territory. Things tend to fall into place the closer I get to them. If I script too far ahead, it inevitably changes because by the time I get there the characters have changed too much for the script to make sense anymore.

It's unusual for me though, because any slice-of-life I've attempted before always was open-ended. I hope it's some kind of cosmic sign, again, that this is what I'm meant to work on for now :P

edit: omg ew longest comment ever D: D: D:

Reply Oly-RRR, July 28th, 2014, 11:15 pm

@mitchellbravo: So far there's a perfectly ordinary stray, a really inappropriate guide dog (why I have a feeling the therapy dog of your customer might be similar? XD) and a few pets. I have something with therapy dogs involved planned at some point but those dogs aren't really developed yet.

Ooooh, interesting about dying! In a way it makes sense for a period story but yeah, still unusual! Sometimes I wonder about how my characters might die but I don't think I have anything set in stone. Though I don't know what the world will be like by then either - I was just thinking today how I'd like Teague and his classmates to have about the same percentage of employment as any regular class would in the long run and honestly I don't know if the world will get there by then... The events I already drew happen more or less now (maybe about a year ago - I need to check some dates to be sure) and honestly I doubt workplace discrimination will just disappear in a few years but something can change. Really Teague and a few others should be fine either way (and I have some ideas specifically) but Jarvis would have trouble holding a job even if he wasn't disabled just because he's a doofus.

The question of what I'd draw if I had like a year to live kind of scares me because at this point I really have no clue - definitely Cop Story, don't know what exactly.

But yeah, it's definitely fun (and like you said, reasonable since stuff keeps changing) to have something left to explore in the story.

And nah, no worries, I enjoy reading your comments a lot! Honestly when I type in this tiny window I keep thinking "it will be a text wall, it will be War and Peace, it will be humanly impossible to get through that" and then I submit the comment and it looks tiny. XD That and I think scripting comics trained us both to keep things as short as possible - good thing artists aren't required to communicate in speech bubbles on Smackjeeves!

Reply mitchellbravo, July 29th, 2014, 10:12 am

@Oly-RRR: Yaaaay eventual puppies!! Yeah the lady & dog in question... uh... let's just say that she took advantage of some actually nonexistent loopholes in the company's policy toward including pets and by the dog's behavior it seemed pretty clear he was just a well-trained pet, but not a service dog XD

Awww that'd be great if the world would change enough within the next few years for that to start being a reality. It's like we've come so far in so many other ways, and so many jobs being done now require computers and stuff anyway which I think could easily be modified for Teague & company. LOL. Now I have an image of non-disabled Jarvis in a mailroom somewhere and everybody getting held up because he decided to open and read a few of the interesting looking ones XD

Actually in the chapter that follows the one I'm working on now, I touch a little bit on Joseph trying to find a job and without hammering the point too much showing how it's difficult for him to find work since besides his physical problems, he wasn't a spectacular student so finding work that he is suitable for is difficult enough- and then even if he would find such a job, stereotypes of physical disabilities being an indication of mental and "moral" deficiencies also abounded :(

Heh, I'm excited to see what Teague ends up getting into. I hope the future will be brighter for him (though you don't have to spoil it for me if it won't :P)

Lol YES!! This box is really misleading when it comes to message length and I have to gage it by how small the scrolly bar gets XD Hahahaha I like to be concise as I can but as is pretty clear I have a tendency to swirl around on the word-wagon for a while before getting to my point sometimes XP

Reply Oly-RRR, July 29th, 2014, 11:28 am

@mitchellbravo: Aaaw, I see! Haha, on one hand I sort of understand people wanting to take a well-trained pet with them (because honestly a well-trained dog is much more pleasant to be around than an unruly 4-year-old kid and those aren't banned from coffee shops and grocery stores) on the other hand rules are rules and I dislike people bending them because they feel like it.

LOL this a 100% accurate depiction of Jarvis! XD

Yeah, I ended up making a mental list of possible jobs in my head! Of course someone working on a computer with assistive technology would be slower than the fastest able-bodied person on a regular computer but it's not a reason to not hire people. Especially considering how many people are slow at work just because they don't feel like doing it, not because they have actual physical difficulties and they keep their jobs like forever (my local post office comes to mind). :P

But yeah, hiring policies are stupid now and were just awful in Joseph's times. :[ I mean at least these days one can call prejudiced people out to some degree, back then prejudice was just the norm.

I like that Joseph wasn't a great student, nice detail! I mean it obviously makes his situation worse but there's this stereotype of disabled genius in fiction and being physically disabled doesn't automatically make anyone good at theoretical physics - I can see why kids can be encouraged to pursue something like that but not everyone has brains for it (I know I don't XD). And if an able-bodied person who's not particularly good at anything still has a bunch of job options to choose from a disabled person is pretty much screwed. It comes up in Cop Story from time to time.

Reply mitchellbravo, July 29th, 2014, 1:31 pm

@Oly-RRR: In our case, it was a portrait studio and we weren't allowed to do pet pictures just because there's a whole bunch of liabilities that come with it. You could include service dogs *in* a family photo, like with the kids and everything, but this woman would make appointments *every month* just for the dog. She was never in the pictures. She would just get the cheapest package that comes with an absurd amount of wallets and like multiple 8x10s AND 10x14s all of the same pose of just. the. dog. I don't know who she was giving all of these pictures to and we also had a policy that if you had a service dog you had to bring the paperwork. After she had come like a million times to take advantage of the stupid specials every month that the *new special* (same as the old special) came out, someone finally asked her to provide paperwork and either it turned out she had no paperwork or the paperwork wasn't legit (I'm not sure because I'd already quit by this point), and finally after basically getting shittons of free merchandise of this dog for probably years they finally BANNED HER FROM THE STORE.

Yeah exactly! No one bats an eye at any able-bodied person slacking off but a disabled person is assumed to be under-producing constantly and therefore not a reliable employee. Which is really dumb. I mean yeah are there disabled people who would dick around instead of doing their jobs? Of course. But the diligent ones would surely outproduce the slackingest able bodied.

Originally Joseph was a very passive character. He did such a 180 I'm not even sure where it came from but I'm glad it changed. Neither of the Harper brothers is particuarly bright, but Joseph has an element of cleverness and problem-solving to some extent while Uly was the hard worker in school. It's a bit I guess to do with the fact that Uly is very much a virtuous rule-follower who'd rather follow than lead, whereas Joseph's a bit more of a maverick :P

It's fun for me to write Joseph because of that, like he doesn't have *SECRET GENIUS DISABLED PERSON POWERS*, he's just a regular guy whose greatest strength is his charisma.

Reply Oly-RRR, July 29th, 2014, 5:12 pm

@mitchellbravo: This is such a bizarre story! XD I mean what- how- why would she need all those photos? Especially done professionally, like wouldn't a regular photo printed nicely do? And I can understand I dunno, keeping a photo of your pet at your desk at work or in a wallet but why get a ton of pictures? I mean did she have them in every room of her house and look at them instead of the real dog, did she tile her bathroom with them or what? Sometimes I'm just curious what goes through some people's minds. XD

Joseph definitely has charisma! I think it's one of the reasons I liked him from the start. X)

Reply mitchellbravo, July 29th, 2014, 5:27 pm

@Oly-RRR: LOL. I think the bathroom tiles must be it. She'd tell us that her dog was like a dog model and she'd send his pictures to the modeling agencies but like, the pictures we took of him were like, not for that kind of thing? You know, like they were blatantly more "family-photo holiday card" looking than "modeling agency audition." I mean I guess she could have been assembling a portfolio over all the different months with the different poses and props but she was really just a strange bird. And she'd travel in from New York and pay god knows how much in transport fare to get to us! I guess in retrospect the dog is probably the only thing in her life she felt proud of and maybe coming to our store to get his pictures made her feel special and important. And now I'm getting depressed thinking of the realities behind this ridiculous woman XD

I'm glad to hear you like Joseph :) I don't get a lot of people commenting on feeling one way or another about him, so it's nice to hear he at least has some appeal to people besides me :P

Reply Oly-RRR, July 29th, 2014, 6:44 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeaaah, sometimes annoying people can have really sad background and it's hard to think of it when you have to deal with their bullshit and then you end up feeling sad later but honestly you never know! Maybe she has like ten children and a ton of nephews and nieces and she keeps putting the dog only on her holiday cards and such to spite them. :D "Buster learned to fetch last week, isn't he a great dog! ...oh, and that useless son of mine got a PhD or a Nobel, I forgot what it was."

Reply mitchellbravo, July 29th, 2014, 11:10 pm

@Oly-RRR: LOL. I'm going to pretend that is her real story. This poor woman, she was just enormous and sad looking, she looked like one of the people on those Hoarding shows, you know? And her husband was this small, small Hispanic man who, based (I admit entirely stereotypically and racistly) on his tenuous grasp of English, we theorized was a Mexican mail-order husband of sorts and that their love was somehow connected to acquisition of a green card. The dog definitely seemed to have the least issues out of the trio XP

Reply Oly-RRR, July 30th, 2014, 1:34 am

@mitchellbravo: Aaaw man, your theories sound more like reality but gosh, it's hard enough to help people you are close to and almost entirely impossible to fix lives of strangers so sometimes you just gotta hope they figure out a happier life on their own in their own time. My mum always says "you can't put your head on other people's shoulders". :P

Reply mitchellbravo, July 30th, 2014, 3:22 pm

@Oly-RRR: That's a good saying, and something I should probably keep in mind more often :P

Reply Squirreltastic-Blue, December 15th, 2014, 1:29 pm

I see birds, but noooooo squirrels!

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