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Reply mitchellbravo, April 26th, 2014, 6:35 pm

Eddie, you go around touchin' people's faces, you're gonna get your face touched.

You may have noticed (you haven't) that the number of pages for this comic has dropped. Never fear, citizens. It is I, the bumbling creator, in my quest to ever discombobulate everything, going back to the first chapter and combining smaller pages together to ~*BETTER THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE READER.*~ Before, the chapter was over 50 pages, now it's less than 40! *"I-Dream-of-Genie"-poofs away*


Reply Oly-RRR, August 1st, 2014, 9:36 am

Joseph would get everyone in someone's parents' garage where they'd play second-hand guitars and drink lots of beer but you know, different times... :D

Reply mitchellbravo, August 1st, 2014, 8:55 pm

@Oly-RRR: YES. I picture Joseph being a 1910's equivalent of the 90's backwards-hat wearing cool kids kids :P Hehe, here's a thing I did back around Christmas time for an art swap, I think Joseph came out 100% authentic XD http://imgur.com/fU1x4xE

Reply Oly-RRR, August 1st, 2014, 10:25 pm

@mitchellbravo: Hahaha, this is perfect! :D I am slightly concerned about Eddie sucking on that bottle, I'VE SEEN WHAT IT DOES TO HIM. XD

Reply mitchellbravo, August 2nd, 2014, 12:57 am

@Oly-RRR: LMAO. He *might* be okay since it's just a beer, he might as well be drinking orange juice XD It's whiskey and scotch in particular that'll be his undoing... but if he just starts consuming massive amounts of beer I'd guess all bets would be off XD

Here's the other pictures that were part of that swap- I have them listed under "outgoing fan art" but I probably ought to have them in "the gallery" :P

... I'm reading that last URL as "DECATUR" and the first one as "genitle" XD Lmao I guess Ulysses is trying to write about personal grooming.

Reply Oly-RRR, August 2nd, 2014, 1:43 am

@mitchellbravo: Marie has a Spongebob t-shirt! This is great! :D No really, I'm enjoying the story in its era but it's fun seeing their modern versions too!

Okay, I don't know why "genitle" cracks me up so much but it dooooes. XD

Reply mitchellbravo, August 2nd, 2014, 1:50 am

@Oly-RRR: Hahahahahahaha yaaay I'm glad you like it!! It's really nice to get to draw them modernized (or at least semi-modernized, they seem to be stuck in the late 90's/early 00's since apparently time stopped for me in 2004) because it's fun to see how they would translate from one period to another. At some point when my style is a bit more reliably refined I'd like to do a series of pictures showing the gang looking like they'd look for each decade. It'd be neat to do as prints I could sell and stuff like that as well.


Reply Oly-RRR, August 2nd, 2014, 2:55 pm

@mitchellbravo: Ooh, yeah, that'd be neat! :D

Haha, I'm the same with time - it's crazy that kids that were born in 2000 ARE TEENAGERS ALREADY, I still think the 90s were like yesterday! And I think we were kind of lucky to be growing up during such a goofy decade (and it might have something to do with what we draw and how I cringe when I get asked to draw those creatures with huge sparkly eyes for work) - I mean even when I watch really gritty films from the 90s, like early Tarantino stuff (or Fargo the film which I started today) they are full of these srs bsns hitmen and cops but at least half of them have funny haircuts or wear Hawaiian shirts or something and it's just what the times were, not them purposefully trying anything. :D

Reply mitchellbravo, August 3rd, 2014, 11:06 am

@Oly-RRR: Yeah exactly! I think we had pretty much an ideal mix in the media that was aimed for us of stuff that took us more seriously than most adults probably expected while still having silly "wholesome" stuff as well. And now I'm old enough to appreciate the stuff that was aimed at adults then as well.

Reply Oly-RRR, August 3rd, 2014, 12:23 pm

@mitchellbravo: Definitely! When it comes to cartoons I get more and more amazed at old Nickelodeon shows as I get older - I mean stuff like Hey Arnold and Rugrats (and lesser known shows like Pelswick, oh man that show even though it ran in 2000-02 now that I checked) didn't baby-talk to kids through neither plot nor style. Modern shows seem to slap big sparkly eyes on every character because what if otherwise kiddies might stop buying that and to me that says a lot about what they think of kids. :P

Rugrats was just crazy because it's a story with main protagonists younger than most target audience (usually it's the other way around - shows about teenagers aimed at pre-teens wanting to grow up) and complicated humour. I keep meaning to re-watch that show because that's sort of the tone I aim for for the parts of the story with learning disabled kids - you know, so the story is told through them but is more complicated than a bog-standard preschool show.

Reply mitchellbravo, August 3rd, 2014, 2:40 pm

@Oly-RRR: Honestly those shows were superbly well-written. Rugrats I never fully appreciated until my friend and I watched some episodes online a few years go. Like you said the writing was pretty complex, in comparison it really seems like shows aimed at kids aren't even trying anymore, or just go for that really fast-paced, random, ADHD-appealing absurdity humor that can be done well but it's still just really different as a storytelling technique. Hey Arnold was great in that it dealt with some pretty dark topics without making it a miserable thing to watch- like the dysfunction of the Pataki family was woven in so well and I think that probably did a lot of good for kids who had families like that to see that in a show aimed at kids where the lesson isn't learned by the end of the episode and everyone is now all smiley-perfect nuclear family sunshine Disney World.

I think that show inspired me a lot in terms of the way I want to deal with my characters' issues as well. Like there's times where you need to pull something out into the open and be explicit and on-the-nose about it, but most of our lives aren't spent therapeutically and capably expressing our feelings to one another and solving problems productively all the time- life's a lot more internal than that, learning to make changes and accept things within yourself instead of expecting to always find that validation within others.

How did I miss Pelswick??? The design looks really familiar but if you had just showed me the pictures I wouldn't have been able to put a name to it. I guess maybe it wasn't advertised that much, since I would have been 10-12 and still watching Nickelodeon regularly when it was on.

As Told by Ginger was another one I really liked- it was nice to have a show aimed at preteen/teenage girls that wasn't about stupid catty shit and actually felt honestly relatable instead of corny and decidedly fictional. I was thinking the other day about all the Klasky Csupo shows, and how very ugly the character designs tended to be but how that made them so much more enjoyable to watch. Like, Eliza Thornberry's head was literally shaped like a gourd but it didn't make kids not want to watch the show because she wasn't some pretty ideal of what girls were supposed to be, you know? Which comes back to what you said about designs aimed at kids saying a lot about what the producers think kids are capable of.

Reply Oly-RRR, August 3rd, 2014, 4:47 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah! I think the only modern cartoon I actually like is Gravity Falls and even it has those overly fast random scenes and honestly I haven't finished season one and it's stuck in my "okay shows that I will watch when I run out of amazing stuff" category.

Hey Arnold was great that way. I didn't feel a particular need for cartoons to reflect my life as a kid (so while I'm all for diversity in media I'm a little sceptical at those posts on tumblr about "my childhood was miserable because I didn't have a black character to relate to in cartoons", it's just more complicated than that, like disabled kids don't automatically go for Finding Nemo of all Pixar films just because of the theme) but I started watching Hey Arnold around the time I moved away from my grandparents and started living with my mum after grandma's death (mum worked a lot so they decided it was for the best in my early childhood and when I got old enough to need less supervision and grandma died it became obvious that had to change - my grandpa is a good man but he can't be the only adult in charge, he's the kind of person who believes you when you say you finished your homework when you obviously haven't even started it haha) so Arnold's home life just felt sort of nice to watch. Like it wasn't "this character is like me so I can do what he does and solve all my problems", it was just sort of comforting, I guess?

And yeah, exactly! There isn't a lot in life that is like "one main character solving everything and living happily"... I often see the writing advice about "every secondary character thinks the story is about them" but I think it's kind of the other way round - in real life -everyone- is a secondary character, or everyone is a main character, depends on how to look at it. So while I can't realistically give equal time in the story to everyone I just like writing about a lot of people.

I don't remember Pelswick from my childhood either so I think it just wasn't advertised much (AS USUAL with stories of this sort, like how Up is the only Pixar film with almost no merchandise) - I only found it much later because it was based on John Callaghan's stuff and JOHN CALLAGHAN IS ONE OF MY HEROES OKAY (I don't like saying that because you know how nasty the word "inspiration" sounds in disability context but that man's biography aside, seriously, his humour is good stuff and his cartoons are just sort of fearless, like he's not afraid of people judging neither art nor idea).

Oh oh OH I love As Told By Ginger! I didn't watch it as a kid because I avoided shows about "girls being girls" (probably since I knew most of them were about stupid catty shit like you said so I didn't expect any different) but I gave it a shot when I was already in the uni and ended up watching it over and over as a result and being amazed at how it's written (I guess I don't like the episode about the guy in the woods but eh, there's always an episode that doesn't click for some reason). I mean it's not even aimed at one particular group of kids, like it's supposed to be about Ginger but parts with Carl and Hoodsey are very relatable too (and Ginger's mother is probably the best cartoon parent I can think of, she's more than a mouthpiece for reasonable adult opinion as positive parent figures in cartoons tend to be).

Another kids show I like a lot is The Weekenders but since it's Disney's it's more wacky fun stuff less unresolved life issues but still enjoyable.

And yeaaah, Klasky Csupo shows are just amazingly ugly design-wise but when you get into it it seems sort of perfect? Like how I never know how to describe people because the word "beautiful" seems overused and pompous but I like drawing goofy expressions and awkward poses and unusual proportions and so on so while I don't know if it's possible to talk about them in terms people use for "conventional beauty" I don't think I mock them when I draw either (it's another reason I prefer comics - with a novel I wouldn't know how to give characters' descriptions without them having unintended emotional subtext or being too medical).

And you know how I draw people and all but recently I decided to watch the unaired Rugrats pilot (that looks slightly different than their final style) and realised I can't watch it while eating because of all those toothless mouths. XD And it's great it all happened at least at some point because I don't see it coming back to mainstream animation soon enough.

Reply mitchellbravo, August 3rd, 2014, 7:41 pm

@Oly-RRR: I've heard good things about Gravity Falls! I haven't watched a lot of kid-aimed cartoons since I stopped babysitting, I've seen a few episodes of Adventure Time but really it just makes me feel very old even though I know a lot of people in my age range or just above it who really like it so I dunno why, I realy think it's just the delivery of the show that makes me feel like "This isn't aimed at me."

Exactly, like you don't look to the characters in it as role models, but it's nice to see someone you can kind of identify with. I identified a lot with Helga just on the basis of the obsessive crush and feverish diaries (though I never kept a chewed gum shrine- the closest I got was a pencil my crush dropped on the floor that I saved and used until it was sharpened down to the metal thing XD ). But all the characters were just, like, real. Like they seemed a little older than 4th graders but they didn't seem like totally fictional fantasy people.

I felt like Recess also had a really neat way of writing its characters, even though it was definitely more cartoony and goofy than Hey Arnold, it just so perfectly captured what it was like going through elementary school in the 90's for me.

Aaaaah that's awesome thank you for introducing me to John Callaghan!!! Now I have more stuff to go find and watch!!

Yeah there were a few episodes of As Told By Ginger I wasn't too big on (I think for example the camping movie didn't appeal to me when it came out), but I like the way it portrayed her relationship with her girlfriends and the whole family dynamic was really neat too. It definitely had broad appeal, I've talked to a few guys who really liked it. There was a point for a few years where I had like two really really best friends and we kind of considered ourselves to be the As Told By Ginger trio :P

You know, I never got to see The Weekenders because we didn't get the Disney channel except for when we'd have a week vacation at the beach during the summer, so I never made a connection with the shows there unless they were also broadcast on UPN 9 (which they did for Recess and Pepperann and a few others I can't remember).

Hahahaa no I know exactly what you mean! I feel like the things that make people seem ugly/weird are the things that actually make them beautiful in the true sense of the term. Like, a lot of people who are models or Hollywood stars are like, nice looking and all, very symmetrical, very masked, but I'd rather look at someone with features that are "interesting" than someone considered conventionally beautiful. In retrospect I think this explains a lot of my weird cartoon crushes during my childhood XD My mom *HATED* the Klasky Csupo designs and would always comment on it when we were watching, especially, As Told By Ginger. It never really bothered me though because I thought that was kind of a daft opinion so :P And yeah I know what you mean about having to explain the characters' features in literature- sometimes it's good to leave things open to interpretation on the reader's part, but with Loud Era I like being able to just draw it since I think their physical appearance has some bearing on the story as well.

Wow I just went and watched the pilot. LMAO YES THE MOUTHS hahahahahahahaha XD I'm surprised that the babies are talking in the pilot- I remember the first handful of episodes the babies were mostly non-verbal, I guess they switched back to having them speak once they figured out there was more they could do with the characters that way. I kinda hope that style of animation starts to make a comeback, but it doesn't really seem like cartoon styles get retro-trendy again the way that like, clothes do, except for very specific examples. Like, did you ever see the show My Life as a Teenage Robot? I actually *despised* the show because the writing and characters were really off-putting to me but the aesthetic of the show was pretty dedicated and admirable even if the show itself was mostly forgettable.

Reply Oly-RRR, August 3rd, 2014, 9:05 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, I have similar feelings about Adventure Time - I like how detailed the world is (both visually and story-wise) and sometimes the stories are smart but for me it's really hit-or-miss and I just like different direction style-wise (less noodly, I guess).

Hehe, I grew to like Helga more and more as I got older but I disliked her as a kid because her name is almost my name and she has a sister called Olga which IS my name, so some kids I knew were like "so do you have a secret crush too?" and I was like "ghhh, I am not like her FOOTBALL HEAD!!" XD And Recess clicked for me when I was a kid but as I got older it started to seem kind of over-exaggerated.

John Callaghan mostly did newspaper sort of cartoons but he was behind creating Quads! It's more of adult kind of stuff like The Simpsons, Family Guy and such but I remember it was kind of mind-blowing to see it on tv in my late teens and when I stumbled on it again years later it was one of the things that eased a lot of my doubts about Cop Story (the first episode even has THOSE posters and the protagonist cringing at them).

And here we didn't have the Disney channel and such specifically but local channels bought broadcasting rights so I don't have shows associated with which channel they were on, I just got used to watching which company owned them. And yeah, Pepper Ann was okay too!

Yeah, I think stuff that was on tv during our childhood definitely influenced us! I wonder how kids watching modern cartoons will grow up since visually stuff for boys gets more ROBOTS WITH ABS and girls get those huge sparkly eyes and I suppose there's a big percentage that will just grow up adults not involved with visual stuff much but I bet there will also be people like us and I wonder how exactly they'll get there, I mean by the time a kid can choose their media on their own they have more or less formed views on what they like. Basically, THESE YOUNG WHIPPER-SNAPPERS ARE DOOMED *insert more old person whinging*

Yeah, there's some stuff that is hard (or impossible, I'm about to find out) to do with non-verbal characters! I guess I'll end up with some test run shorts as a result but I'm trying to figure out how to handle it because in real life with someone non-verbal you can sort of understand what they mean more than just "YAY/NAY" if you watch and listen for a bit and most of it is body language and expression, I guess, but since comics don't have movement in the conventional sense I dunno. Drawing pictures of stuff in speech bubbles seems too cartoonish but I'll figure out something.

I don't think I watched My Life as a Teenage Robot but the style seems familiar. I usually tend to go for something less angular even if it's very stylised though, like everyone says Dexter's Laboratory is great but I can't make myself watch it (also like I mentioned before, my folks have very technical minds so I got some of that attitude and science fiction aimed at kids almost never clicks for me because I can't make myself ignore parts where IT CAN'T WORK LIKE THAT). Oh, that reminds me - have you watched Ed, Edd & Eddie? I still need to watch it properly but it has a surprisingly active fandom on art sites and seems good from bits I've seen. If we can find a third Ed I'm so drawing a parody. :D

Reply mitchellbravo, August 3rd, 2014, 10:47 pm

@Oly-RRR: LMAO see!!! I knew we must be secretly related somehow XD Oh yeah, I don't know if it's anywhere actually on this site but I'm sure you've figured out my name isn't *actually* Mitchell, it's really Michelle :P A friend and I were goofing around with http://ackuna.com/badtranslator something like this thing and that's eventually where I got the handle from.

Aaah, that's really cool! I wish there'd been more press about it. I vaguely remember hearing about Quads! but was definitely too young to appreciate how groundbreaking that would be as well as its other strengths. LOL. I guess the posters must be a recurring motif within this theme.

I know what you mean about the influence on kids now! Do you also feel like the fact that everything is CGI CONSTANTLY 24/7 might affect kids when it comes to drawing? I mean, it's hard enough to like, "copy" your favorite characters when they're 2 dimensional, but at least then the lines are already there for you. idk IDK KIDS THESE DAYS!!! BACK IN MY DAY DON BLUTH ETC ETC

I wonder if for your nonverbal characters you could do something where you like, still write the text but just not in a speech bubble? Like to suggest that they're saying it but not speaking it, I don't know if it makes sense without me drawing it to show what i mean. And I guess it would also depend on whose point of view the story was from, whehter the character is being interpreted correctly, whether the interpreting characters even understand the nonverbal character... I mean, it seems like most media tends to fall back on the verbal character repeating what the nonverbal one has "said" like C3PO and R2D2, which works some of the time but if it's overused or in a serious situation it seems kinda corny and weird.

LOL. Dexter's Lab is a good example of a show where the writing really bothered me for some reason, and it wasn't until I was older that I could kind of appreciate the humor but as a kid it just made me grumpy- not that it stopped me from watching it anyway. Like I remember getting mad that he had this GIGANTIC laboratory that his parents somehow didn't know about and that was physically impossible for it to be there and how could he have acquired all of this metal, etc, etc, etc- basically unable to suspend my disbelief or accept the answer to most of those things is "Because it's funny." :P

Ed, Edd & Eddy was honest to god one of my absolute favorite shows growing up XD It's weird, it's one of those shows where even though I consider it an integral part of my late childhood, even the most disturbed and messed up fan-art of it doesn't bother me because it was *just that kind of a show* really. In fact Joseph's personality is probably more than a little bit influenced by Eddy's, actually XD

HAHA YES. But which of our Eds would be which of THE OTHER Eds???? :o

Reply Oly-RRR, August 3rd, 2014, 11:30 pm

@mitchellbravo: Ehehe, good stuff comes out of translators like that. :D

Ooh, I thought that 3D seems more similar visually so there's less variety of styles but I haven't thought of it in terms of copying! Yeaaah, that must be hard for kids! I mean there's always picture books and colouring books coming with Disney movies but the quality of those seems to be proportional on how much money Disney plans to get from the franchise so stuff with princesses gets decent illustrators and half Pixar films get adapted into these butt-ugly collages that must be easy to copy but I doubt many kids want to copy that.

Oooh, good idea with putting the text somewhere else! And yeah, it also depends on other characters and such. Also I've been tossing around this idea that would be sort of like those strips in Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin imagines his teacher is an alien monster and so on but it's early days and stuff that ties them to the main plot happens much later so there's still time.

Yeah, it's weird, sometimes I can turn logic off and sometimes I can't, I'm not sure what it depends on.

I thiiink your Eddie is definitely Double Dee which makes Chance Ed - it's not a 100% fit but I guess one of the reasons Chance got on with Nutter so well was that at some early point he was the Ed to Nutter's Eddy. Though Nutter generally gets along with subordinates better than with equals and superiors (mostly because he sees less threat in them, which is something I should handle a bit in the next chapter bwahaha).

Reply mitchellbravo, August 4th, 2014, 12:26 am

@Oly-RRR: Oh yeah there's also the problem that 3d tends to get kind of samey... I guess 2d affords more bizarre designs because you don't really have to worry about them looking "correct" at every one of the 360 degrees, if that makes sense. Also tying back to what you've said about design trends, it seems like the 3d goes further in terms of BIG EYES PRETTY PRETTY than 2d ever did, especially for characters that are essentially supposed to be adults. Though maybe I'm just biased because I just finished watching Frozen the other day, who knows!

Yeah you'll have plenty of time to figure it out! And if it's something where you're worried about whether it's understood by readers, you can always post samples on your dA and so forth to generate a consensus. The smackjeeves community would also probably help out in that regard, I can think of a few members in particular who are good at giving specific pointers with stuff like that.

Hahahahaha I was going to make Chance be Ed but wasn't so sure about it, I just can't picture Chance having a tub full of gravy in his basement XD But he does have more of an easy-going nature especially compared to other characters like Nutter so it works to some extent. YAAAAY MORE NUTTER REVEALS!!!

I think we have enough excitement for our coming chapters that they really ought to just draw themselves already, lol :P

Reply Oly-RRR, August 4th, 2014, 1:23 am

@mitchellbravo: Haha, Frozen is one of those things I probably have to watch so that people can't say "but you haven't tried it!" when I say I don't like it (I did it with the new Robocop - gah, it was worse than I expected but the sheer level of that gave me a couple of ideas). But yeah, the big eye syndrome started among 3D women and is now affecting teenagers - I really want Big Hero 6 to be good but this is not how Japanese teenagers generally look http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5558249/BigHero6teaserforteaserscreenshotLSWaltDisneyAnimatio nStudios_article_story_large.jpg

Yup, Chance isn't exactly slow but he can be really stupid when he doesn't stop to think for one reason or another. But he definitely doesn't have enough scamming plans to qualify for Eddy. ALSO ED HAS A BIG COAT OF SORTS.

And yesss, if only there was some device that would gather the energy from us thinking about it all! XP

Reply mitchellbravo, August 4th, 2014, 11:18 am

@Oly-RRR: There were things I really *liked* about Frozen- the settings were nicely done and cute and I liked the focus on the sisterly relationship instead of just the romance, but I will say I was underwhelmed. At least like you said now I've seen it so no one can complain I'm judging it without seeing it... but then again now that I've seen it people can say "WHY'D YOU WATCH IT IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT" ._.

Ohhhhh dear that is an interesting boy that looks perfectly indistinguishable :| I hope that people start getting more innovative with 3d designs soon since it doesn't seem like it's something that's going to go away, you know? I guess it's just tough to stylize to some extent because like I was saying before you need to cling to some element of realism because of the need to have things able to flow into the third dimension instead of just *suggesting* that they're doing that.

I just foresaw a nightmarish future where all of the classic 2D films are remade as CGI films because there is already a built in audience and since the concepts and scripts are mostly there the writing teams will have less work expected of them D:

I can definitely see him in the big green coat XD He would just have to skip the whole "nightmarish lack of personal hygiene" aspect :P

Reply Oly-RRR, August 4th, 2014, 4:01 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, people always know how to retort. XD I dunno, sometimes I sort of plan to watch something but the more I learn about it the less I like it and sometimes I know I won't like it but watch it so I know how NOT to do stuff or can parody it in Cop Story in some way.

Yeah, 3D is harder that way. I think they tried making it more exaggerated in Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs and I guess I liked some visual sides of it but all in all it seemed a bit strange, like you expect it to be more detailed.

Oh yeah, I can see it happening too! D: They already prefer going for re-makes and book adaptations instead of original stories. And you know there's this exercise to take a frame from an old Disney cartoon and re-paint it? And like, it's a cool exercise and I've seen people being really creative with it and it's great but what drives me up the wall is when that stuff gets comments "I wish Disney would re-make 101 Dalmatians that way, it's so pretty!" It's like, dammit, the meaning is the same, the composition is the same, you just get more rendered lighting and stuff like leaves in trees and more clouds and specks of dust in the air! If this is what's important in a movie how about you go watch 2 hour long footage of an apple lying on a table in high-res. 8I

Haha, yeah - Chance might forget to change shirts and stuff like that but not to the terrifying point. XD

Reply mitchellbravo, August 4th, 2014, 7:14 pm

@Oly-RRR: Yup yup. I don't think I would have bothered watching Frozen even except for the fact that back in the school year I subbed for an elementary music teacher and my instructions were to show the beginning of the film to each class, so I watched the first 20 minutes like six times consecutively and it got to the point where even though I was kinda meh about it I now *needed* to watch it through, you know?

Yeah, Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs was uh... interesting looking. I think it's like that uncanny-valley problem and that 3d and 2d have the opposite issue- making stuff in 3d tends to look kind of disturbingly wrong if it gets stylized to the level of 2d, whereas 2d animation that's too realistic seems disturbing. I guess it's like once art crosses over into having defineable depth it needs to adhere more closely to realism to some extent. Meanwhile 2d stuff that's been like rotoscoped looks kinda weird because it lacks the exaggeration that makes 2d "work" most of the time.

LMAO. Augh that's so weird! I feel like htat's one of those things people say without realistically thinking it through. Like would you *really* buy a new version of the movie just because it was redone that way? And then I feel like movies that were honestly BEAUTIFUL get overlooked... like, The Iron Giant was just visually superb and blended CGI with traditional 2D art really powerfully, but everyone's forgotten about that one for some reason.

Lol. Chance would definitely not have a bed that made gurgling, scurrying noises when his friends looked at it D:

Reply Oly-RRR, August 4th, 2014, 7:31 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, totally! It's like someone explained to me about poses in comics - "try to push it too far but stop before it goes it too far".

Haha, yeah, good point! I can't unsee a couple of CARTOON LOGIC things about Iron Giant (like how the switch turning electricity for the entire city off is just somewhere where some kid running around in the woods can easily use it?) but it does look really beautiful and has a good idea so sometimes I'm so frustrated that I can't recommend it to anyone without saying "it's good BUT-" XP

Chance does have both parents out of frame like all adults in Ed, Edd & Eddy seem to be but it looks less suspicious for adult characters! XD

Reply mitchellbravo, August 4th, 2014, 8:54 pm

@Oly-RRR: Hahahaha, that's a good piece of advice!

Oh yeah I could understand that! I managed to miss most of those inconsistencies/weird things when I watched it as akit, I haven't seen it in (wow I just realized I typed "akit" instead of "a kid" but I kinda want to leave it there) years so maybe I'd notice more of it now. Maybe though that movie just resonated with me so hard that I was actually for a brief time in my pedantic childlife able to suspend my disbelief XD

(Though my favorite movies growing up were The Land Before Time and especially The Brave Little Toaster, and somehow talking dinosaurs and appliances didn't bother me, maybe because the movies took themselves kinda seriously so the silly stuff didn't bother me as much as it did in cartoons that were trying to be funny? idk!)

LOL YES. I saw some cool pieces, I forget where, it might have been dA but I think it was somewhere else, someone had done up some neat imaginings of what the parents of Ed Edd & Eddy would look like. It was somebody who really had a grasp on Antonucci's style so it was honestly really believable as well. If I find them I'll share 'em with you :D

Reply Oly-RRR, August 4th, 2014, 9:12 pm

@mitchellbravo: Heheh, sometimes I replace entire words too and half the time I don't even notice!

Ooh, I loved those too! And my mum couldn't stand The Brave Little Toaster, like even if I mention it these days she goes all "Who thought talking kitchen appliances were a good idea, WHAT KIND OF DRUGS WERE THE CREATORS DOING?" She's kind of weirded out by dinosaurs too though I got to see that point of view much later. I mean The Land Before Time is beautiful but thinking realistically there's nothing appealing about huge lizard that can either eat you or walk over you, and yet we have all these cartoons with brightly coloured friendly creatures having fun (and the meteorites and climate change are rarely mentioned)? Barney the dinosaur is kinda creepy though. :D

Also I just realised that I stare at Hogarth's hands from time to time as hand references. THAT MOVIE IS JUST DRAWN SO WELL D:

Ooh, yeah, one of the things I like about Ed, Edd & Eddy is that the fandom is filled with really good fanart and all kinds of theories that are sort of more serious than the show itself, like how those families functioned and so on. (I really need to watch it all!) Maybe I'm just lucky that I haven't stumbled on any weird fanart yet but I've been online long enough to see Ginger's mother in bondage - SHE'S THE PROTAGONIST'S -MOTHER- WHAT IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE? 8I

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