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Reply mitchellbravo, September 28th, 2014, 2:20 pm

That guy's name is actually Sal, hi Sal, bit character never to return except for the next page.

Not really satisfied with the shading on this page. Well, it gets better as the scene goes on. I was trying for one thing and it didn't really turn out the desired way. Like I said, it improves later.

13 Links for 13 Updates 2/13
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Dia, by Charlotte Vevers

So I'm going through all the "relatively new" comics on my "to recommend" list first, and here is Dia, which began in early August and is now nearly 20 pages into the story, and updates each Saturday. The plot is off to a really interesting start and I can describe the pacing as quite punctual, without feeling like it is lagging or rushing. A young boy has been abandoned in a forest to die by a mysterious wolf-having witch lady. Nessa, one of our protagonists, has discovered him and carried him home to be brought back to health. There's already an entertaining and relatable sibling dynamic between Nessa's brothers, and the comic's setting, especially the outdoor scenes, is gloomily yet urgently atmospheric. The character designs are particularly pleasing and I'm excited to see where the story will go from here.
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I know it's not really Monday yet, but sometimes I get too excited and just want to put the page up early u.u I'll probably throw the next update up in the afternoon tomorrow, if not by the evening. This weekend has been a very not-according-to-plan-ly type weekend and I didn't make as much progress as I'd hoped. Well, anyway, all of the rest of the scenes in this chapter are relatively very short so it shouldn't take me two months between any more of them.


READER'S DISCUSSION:

Reply Oly-RRR, September 28th, 2014, 3:12 pm

WHAT IS THIS EARLY UPDATE I DID NOT EXPECT THIS GOODNESS Seriously, it made me grin as much as Doctor Who usually makes me grin!

Bahahaha, I don't even know what to say about their name-inventing skills!

Coincidentally, yesterday I got to the firemen singing contest in Rescue Me (I will never forget Tommy singing Silent Night and I loved the honorary fireman guy but that's a given) and they were dressed like Joseph and this only adds to the hilarity!!

Reply mitchellbravo, September 28th, 2014, 7:53 pm

@Oly-RRR: THAAANKS :D :D :D

Hahahahahahaha ohhhh my god i have literally no recollection of that scene whatsoever AND I HATE MYSELF FOR IT. OF ALL THE STUPID THINGS IN MY LIFE I HAVE PERFECT RECALL OF, WHY IS THAT NOT ON THE LIST

Reply Oly-RRR, September 28th, 2014, 8:08 pm

@mitchellbravo: TELL ME YOU REMEMBER THE HONORARY FIREFIGHTER AT LEAST D: So many Cop Story characters were coming to mind, it was great!

Also best slur-related humour I've seen since Life on Mars.

Reply mitchellbravo, September 29th, 2014, 4:21 pm

@Oly-RRR: I DOOOON'T :'( :'( :'( My brain can remember my seventh grade crush drawing a Dragonball Z character and making the crotch too big but can't recall things that might actually be conversationally and mentally pleasing...

Reply Oly-RRR, September 29th, 2014, 4:30 pm

@mitchellbravo: It's okay, I'm sure we can find some place for Goku's oversized crotch in our conversations somewhere! :D (I don't know if it was Goku, I just remember like four DBZ characters and only because I bought a couple of volumes of the manga a few years ago.)

But anyway, there was a learning disabled guy tagging along the firefighters in the boring firehouse Tommy gets moved to in the beginning of series 2! And he was so upset when Tommy left back to his old workplace. :c

This obviously makes me want to draw the Denis Leary sub but I gotta update at least the main story first.

Reply mitchellbravo, September 30th, 2014, 7:56 pm

@Oly-RRR: LOL I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS GOKU. I don't know much about DBZ either but I'm pretty sure that's who it was. XD

Aahahahaha I'm so happy that the series has clicked so well with you!! Like I mentioned before it's rare I bump into other people who've seen it or who would even LIKE it, so the fact that you took my recommendation and it didn't end in disaster makes me happier than a poorly animated winking train :')

Reply Oly-RRR, September 30th, 2014, 8:04 pm

@mitchellbravo: I'm enjoying it so much! :D Augh I just finished season 2, it left pretty much every character even more damaged. D: But yeah, it's becoming one of those shows where I see some bit and think "damn, why is this not on youtube, I want to be able to link this moment!" LIKE TOMMY DANCING WHEN ANTIDEPRESSANTS KICKED IN XD

For some reason that train is FOREVIALLY STUCK in my youtube recommendations now. :C But it's okay because I found an even more disturbing preschool cartoon...

Reply Bluezilla, October 11th, 2014, 5:38 pm

Hooray, the only black person in Loud Era???

(Hopefully not. Haha. I assume it's kind of complicated to try to figure out the racial composition of wherever these characters live and the dynamics of class etc. that they would have going for them at the time. But I'm still kind of curious.)

Reply mitchellbravo, October 11th, 2014, 6:21 pm

@Bluezilla: Omg I know, this comic is so whitebread it's really depressing. :( I think most of it comes from me starting to write Loud Era during a time in my life before I paid any attention to inclusion or diversity. I mean, we can handwave part of it away by saying it takes place in an area more or less analogous to my own hometown, which is predominantly white (a quick Wiki search reveals that my town population is less than 2% black) and certainly was similar a hundred years ago, but if I were to start Loud Era over again I would want to make the main cast more diverse.

Some race issues get touched on a little bit because immigrants who would be considered "white" now weren't back then, but it rings false if we're talking about diversity in a modern sense.

All that being said, next chapter I will be bringing in more people of color, which hopefully will come across well-handled and not awkward- I'm not sure how permanently they will be sticking around in the long run of the comic, but I'm looking forward to getting to use some markers other than "fifty shades of beige" :P

Reply Bluezilla, October 11th, 2014, 6:59 pm

Wahaha. I was always curious. You've definitely written sensitively about other cultural issues--like anti-semitism--so I believe in your powers of not-writing-people of-color-terribly! :P

I've been going through a similar issue in my own work, which someday may appear on this website, hee hee. When I was in high school my excuse for not writing about people of color was that I felt I didn't know enough about other cultures than my own to portray them accurately. By now I'm trying to add more diversity to my stories too. Even doing a small amount of work and research goes a long way for inclusivity, and it's even easier in fantasy (my typical genre) because the cultures don't even have to be real cultures that exist. So yeah, it's no excuses time, i guess? Either way, I feel that struggle.

Fifty shades of beige. hahaha.

Reply mitchellbravo, October 12th, 2014, 4:00 pm

@Bluezilla: Aww thanks!! I'll be looking forward to your feedback once they're introduced... what I'm worried about most is the fact that my characters need to be at least a little racist because of their upbringing, and I'm actually toning it down because writing them AS racist as they should be probably wouldn't go over well D: So I'll need to deal with the issue of my characters having views we'd condemn these days, without
-making it seem like I support those views
-making the PoC characters come across as paragons of virtue
-making it this hamfisted WE MUST LEARN TO ACCEPT ONE ANOTHER lesson XP


Oh I do hope to see your stuff some day! Yeah I think a lot of people have similar issues, the subject came up fairly recently on the forums and people gave some pretty good food for thought on the subject. And yeah I think you'll be good as well as long as you don't fall into the unfortunate-implications cliche of mutant/magic stand-ins for actual minorities, if you know what I mean- like people want to write about racism (or homophobia or bigotry of your choice) but are afraid to actually use real types of people so they make some fake superpowered minority that kind of unintentionally erases the groups they intend to champion anyway :/ I mean, it can probably be done well, but I see it mishandled more frequently, which is unfortunate.

WORDS WORDS WORDS XP And oh to clarify, using made-up minorities in a fantasy setting is obviously fine because most of the characters are made-up species anyway so it makes sense? It just gets awkward when you see groups that are obvious stand ins for real groups based off of the stereotypes being employed, that's when it gets to that questionable "Hmmm what are you trying to say here" type of a dilemma. Luckily it's one of those things where if you're aware of it, and you are, you'll probably be well set to avoid it, you know?? :P

Reply Bluezilla, October 12th, 2014, 11:58 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yay feedback! I'm good at that, or at least i try. :3

You don't have an easy task ahead of you, in that case, and i don't envy it. Well, maybe a little. because you have a chance to do something really human and meaningful, you know? NO PRESSURE. also, i bet there's a lot of interesting black culture from the 20's that people don't talk about a lot, which could be fun to research and learn about, ja?

Hmmm. I think someday when I have time i'll definitely check the forums out. I'm terrible at keeping up with them, unfortunately. And i know what you're saying about making races in your fantasy worlds roughly analogs to real-world groups. It's kind of like the stories that come out WAY too much against "oppression" or something without making a real nuanced treatment of the subject. And it can be problematic, too, in terms of people trying to "speak for" other people. touchy subject!

i do hope i will be! thanks for the vote of confidence. the world i'm working in is pretty much open-ended as fas as race goes, thankfully, so hopefully i'll be able to take full advantage of it.

Reply mitchellbravo, October 15th, 2014, 9:50 am

@Bluezilla: I know what you mean though, and I think that's ultimately for me going to be more rewarding than if I either tried to tiptoe around it or use something else as a stand-in metaphor. I've had really encouraging feedback over the years about my ability to write people sooooooo hopefully that's a harbinger of good potential going forth, lol.

And here was the forum post in question so you don't have to go digging if you just want to peek at it quickly: http://smackjeeves.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15445 Yes, yes, taking away the nuance of real life oversimplifies things and doesn't actually make it easier to sympathize with the oppressed, and it also demonizes the oppressors in a way that alienates people and makes them think "Well, I'm not as bad as THOSE people, so I guess I'm not racist" and stuff like that. And yes, the "speaking for" can be especially obnoxious- I'm not saying only [minority] people can write about [minority] because that's dumb obviously, but it's clear when people are trying to come up with a frame of reference they just don't genuinely have and as a result the story kind of rings hollow in most writers' hands.

And good luck going forward! I'm not much on fantasy myself but if you ever want me to check out your work once you have it up and running to give feedback, please let me know and I'd love to help if I can :D

Reply Squirreltastic-Blue, December 30th, 2014, 2:21 pm

Band name...
The guys who didn't even have a practice montage!


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