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Reply mitchellbravo, January 18th, 2015, 7:43 pm

There's a lot I really hate about the way this page turned out, but I'd rather just put it up and deal with it than spend another like, what, two months or whatever nitpicking something that is flawed on certain fundamental levels. Whatevs man!!

Hoping to have the next and last page of the scene up tomorrow. This has been really dumb and taken way too long.

Like all good things and people in the world, Eddie's car is a little wonky-eyed :)

Oh, and I *knew* I forgot something when I wrote last update's comment, and I remembered what it was. It's not really urgent so that's probably why I didn't remember. I was toying with the idea of someday doing a print of Loud Era, because I had a few pages I had printed out just for my own personal consistency references (who would have thunk it, I know) and it was neat to look at it "finished" on paper as opposed to on screen- just seemed more real, I guess.

Anyway, logistics:

1. No big file copies exist of any of the pages from chapters 1-4, and I forget whether chapter 5 even has them. So if I were realistically going to send them to print, I would have to do nearly 200 pages worth of re-scanning and re-editing.

This would insanely, insanely tedious and possibly pointless (see logistic #2) and would require a lot of hours. One point in my favor is that I know a lot more about using the computer to edit now so it probably wouldn't take as long as it did the first time to edit those pages. I also had a lot of backgrounds that were done really sloppily by hand or were mainly done on the computer, which always takes more time for me. If I were to embark on this quest I would probably draw in a lot of those backgrounds by hand properly, and may even see if I can get the coloring to not look so janky. This would, I assume, make owning a physical copy more enjoyable for readers, as well.

Since there would be no real deadline with this, I would probably take a long time to edit all those pages to get them book-ready anyway, probably fixing up one or two pages every few days or so. I would be sure not to use time that would be going toward making new pages, and it may actually help me during times where I don't really feel so confident about MAKING new pages to actually be working on something comic-related and feeling some vague accomplishment about it.

2. I love you guys, but I can count you on my fingers and maybe my toes in good months. It probably would not be feasible for me to spend so much time on this (even if I did space it out as mentioned) to make physical copies for like the handful of you that would actually want them, for whom I could probably just print and bind a *personalized, custom collection* of Only Your Favorite Pages/Storylines/Pages That Have Backgrounds and still have that take less time and effort than going through the whole rigmarole.

So while I may passively start re-scanning old pages for "if the time ever came" (when a man and a woman love each other very much), this is probably not going to be a real thing unless there starts to be shit tons of people reading this comic, which a. is unlikely anytime within the next several years and b. I'm not sure if I would even really want anyway, have you seen how creepy some people's fanbases get? I kinda like how cozy you guys are, you know?

So anyway, blah blah blah, just some thoughts on a totally hypothetical thing. There's more logistics but they're even *MORE* boring than the two I listed above, just suffice to say I've looked into this a bit and am weighing the cost/reward balance and right now it's definitely more cost.

I'd totally do the personalized collection prints though. Like I would totally do that at some point.


Reply The_Hankerchief, January 18th, 2015, 9:39 pm

This was literally me and my Ranchero when I left for Alaska (it's currently parked and wrapped up in a tarp next to my grandmother's barn). Eddie, I feel your pain. :(

Reply Oly-RRR, January 19th, 2015, 9:05 am

Aw Eddie... :C

Ah, I remembered about that but I assumed you were going to bring it up later or something changed.

I thiiiink that even if you decide to print a book it might not be the best time to do it right before this huge chapter you have doubts about because I can see this turning into that slippery slope to "you know what, I'll just redraw the whole thing from scratch anyway" (which is a slop I've been on and am constantly trying to avoid, I mean if I didn't start chapter 2 now in another few months I'd probably be like "you know what, chapter 1 is only 16 pages, surely I can-").

It's REALLY hard to edit just one thing without reworking it all - that might work with a wonky expression or a tie you forgot to add but I'm not sure if it'll work with backgrounds (btw, I realised those windows I edited in summer were off AGAIN when I inked the page I should be colouring now, that goes to show you).

So basically I'm very much leaning to option 2 - I would love to have a book of Loud Era but being realistic I think these I read comics online more than I reach to a shelf and pull out a physical comic book. Besides for the creator books leave the same -imperfect- feeling we constantly get with our projects, "aw, I should have seen that typo, aw, the colour is off here, aw, I didn't know it would turn out this way" so it isn't that rewarding. I dunno, I think occasionally printing something might be something every artist needs to do for the novelty to wear off but I think printing chapters separately (or a couple of chapters per book or something) might be an easier way of doing it. Really the only Cop Story things I printed were: chapter one up to the end of the hospital scenes (which I only have one copy left of) and like half the shorts (which you'll see when I kick myself up the arse and go post it) but I'm really not in a hurry to do it again because it's impossible to make any significant amount of money on this unless the comic is VERY popular (otherwise you're lucky if you even cover printing costs, especially with a big book and not a big number of copies) and friends and regular readers (not speaking on everyone's behalf but speaking on my behalf) would equally enjoy something smaller and more new pages happening!

Reply Squirreltastic-Blue, January 19th, 2015, 10:07 am

About Teaching: To answer your question of expertise in teaching, I don't have one yet, but my best strengths lie in general science, English, arts (including theatre), and physical education.

About Printing: A printed book? I thought many times of doing my own this way, but mainly just as something for me to have. A full color, full size book with over 500 pages is not cheap! Your comic is great, but I'm not sure that I would pay a bunch to see it in a physical print. Would you do it in black and white to reduce costs?

About this page: Now that I look at it, that's a pretty tall car. I know Eddie is a tall person, and I... not so much, yet I stand taller than most modern cars do. Maybe it's the wheels or the high roof?

Reply mitchellbravo, January 19th, 2015, 10:36 am

Teaching: That's neat! I have a lot of multifaceted interests so that's part of why I'm excited to do elementary ed, since you get to teach a variety of subjects (and just on the fun basic-understanding level, too :P )

Printing: I would want to print in color because my pages are butt-ugly in grayscale/b&w :P I would probably do it in installments of a few chapters per volume. And yeah, exactly, I don't see it being a big-seller despite people I know in real life insisting I ought to make real prints and sell them. (Funny how people who don't know anything about a topic tend to be the ones most vocal about encouraging you to pursue that topic?)

Page: Model T's were about 7 ft tall. I'm sure some were shorter than that depending on the model. Cars were higher off the ground and there was more vertical structure because aerodynamics hadn't really factored into design yet as far as I can tell.

Reply mitchellbravo, January 19th, 2015, 12:09 pm

@The_Hankerchief: Awww, Hank!! I'm glad that she's still there waiting for you, though!! Someday you'll be reunited :)

@Oly-RRR: Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't be working on it any time soon- lol, you know my rate of production when it comes to things i actually LIKE doing, imagine the delay when it's something that's more of a chore :P So like earliest that this would even be possible would be like, 2018 or so. Definitely not while chapter 7 is getting made, that's going to be some all-consuming shit!

I think I could avoid the "fixing everything small" issue by just continually reinforcing to myself my expectations on what I wanted the pages to look like. My hesitance to do anything un-fun would also be a good hinderer to perfectionism. Lmao, it already prevents me from nitpicking the pages I'm currently working on, so I think that would carry over into the old pages as well.

Oh gosh the poor window!!! Most of my background fixes would just be adding in some furniture/paintings in, like, the Prom chapter and coloring backgrounds by hand instead of adding the color digitally with GIMP as I had done. One issue would be the jarring difference in competence between the existing foregrounds/foreground colors and the more adept backgrounds that would be added in, so that's another poitn against me.

Printed Loud Era would definitely be more of a novelty factor than anything, as far as I can tell. I would like to do some prints of short stories at some point, perhaps, or at least some nicer prints/calendars when my skill level would make that worthwhile (lol, sexy car calendar forthcoming!! XP)

That's actually a good point. I could just do a one-and-done "nice print" for myself using good paper and my own printer. I wouldn't worry about the quality of the print regarding DPI and stuff because, like, you know, I just wouldn't. :P

Yeah, it would defnitely not be a money-making venture for me. I've seen comics with big followings get a pretty penny thru kickstarter and so forth but there's so much effort and you really do need a huge audience with a significant number of people actually wanting prints in order to make it financially a viable operation.

Lol, it will probably end up like those URLs I'm sitting on for comics I will probably never upload :P Something I toy around with and refuse to write off entirely, but never will actually get to...

Reply Oly-RRR, January 19th, 2015, 6:11 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, totally, it's okay to say "I'll do it someday" when you think it's not the right time now. If the right time comes you'll do it but if it doesn't you won't spend a bunch of time on something you didn't want that much.

And yesss, with home/office printers you can print even low-res stuff and as much as you want. I even printed my thesis book on an A3 office printer rather than proper typographic machines because at the time I was looking at the options doing it through some place ready to print and bind a full-colour book of 64 pages would cost nearly 100 bucks per copy and I needed like three copies for the defence and wasn't prepared to pay that kind of money just so people at the defence can skim through it for five minutes. I'm sure there are better options out there by now but still - printing a few pages on a printer at home gives about the same pleasant feeling and way less stress.

Like 90% of my thoughts on self-publishing seem to amount to "NONONONOPE", I guess I'm not the same way about making comics because comics are actually fun to work on sometimes! :P

Reply mitchellbravo, January 19th, 2015, 9:40 pm

@Oly-RRR: Exactly! I'm not under any pressure to do it so I probably will never get to it. So many ideas I've borne in my life and written down somewhere "for a rainy day" and the rain never comes :p

Omg yeah 300$ for just that would be unnecessary even if you had pockets of waterfall money 0_0 If our printer "gets better" or if I get my hands on some nice paper, I might decide to make a real copy for like, my mom or my boyfriend (the latter of whom has been the most vehement about SELL YOUR COMIC PHYSICALLY AT PLACES, IT'S GOOD AND YOU'LL MAKE MONEY and who has consequently been the recipient of one chuckle for every four eyerolls/Cecilia-disapproval-faces. :P )

Ahahahahaha no it totally makes sense. and you've seen enough people throw away the whole "making" part because they start tunnel-visioning on the printing part? And it's like kind of sad because I feel like for the most part readers aren't going to be as excited for a physical copy as they are to just have new material. It's like, I dunno, having the same meal for dinner two nights in a row but you changed the lightbulb in the dining room lamp so the food is more palatable looking but you have to eat with your hands instead of fork and knife? :P It can be done well and worthwhile but I don't think I have one of those situations.

There's a few comics I'd like to buy prints of but it's way less than the number of comics I read that SELL physical copies. The two that come to mind re: me wanting them are Think Before You Think and What Nonsense (which is meant to be a graphic novel in the end, anyway).

Reply Oly-RRR, January 19th, 2015, 10:02 pm

@mitchellbravo: Stepdad offered me a colour printer if I'm prepared to pay for cartridges and I'm considering it mostly because I have no clue where to put it. I have a greyscale HP Laserjet 5L on my desk which is smaller than most colour printers but I think it's dead and even if it isn't here's a brief explanation of why I didn't even both installing its driver on Lincoln - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_LaserJet_5

Weirdly my parents were LEAST supportive of the idea of printing comics for the sake of having a physical copy even back when I wasn't sceptical about it myself. But they do often (but not always) say stuff that makes sense. I mean right now we agree that stuff with pictures is best printed and not in ebook version but since webcomics start out digital by nature... I dunno, if I had enough money I'd like to support comics I really like but like you say, the number of them is way smaller than the number of comics offering copies and my bookshelves or spare money aren't infinite.

And yeah, I know I'd rather see new pages than better versions of old pages. Besides with webcomics you can get reminders of new pages and you can read in small chunks. When I take a book off a shelf I sort of feel the pressure to finish it reasonably quickly and put it away and not start on anything new till I do it (which never works and I always was in the middle of like three books at the same time even before I got the kindle).

Idk, it might work for some people but definitely won't work for me (usually by the time I was done preparing something for print I JUST WANTED IT TO STOP). Plus you'd have to be good at pitching and selling and that's an entirely separate kind of talent...

Reply mitchellbravo, January 21st, 2015, 4:08 pm

@Oly-RRR: Yeah, that's another thing and a big reason I don't feel comfortable starting a patreon. I feel like my readerbase is primarily other struggling artists and it feels kind of, like, I dunno, like busking while in the company of buskers? lol. I sure as hell am in no place to contribute to anyone else's patreon or kickstarter or buttfarter so I don't feel really alright about holding out that particular pan myself.

Yeah, it definitely would't be something I'd pursue to make any kind of money, because if there's one thing I'm not, it's a salesperson (I've learned that much about myself). Someday I'd like to do like poster type stuff but I'm so far from being polished enough to feel good about that either.

Reply Oly-RRR, January 21st, 2015, 4:53 pm

@mitchellbravo: Yeah, another good point (same issue with the local comic festival - it started off as art showcase of a group of comic artists and that was cool but kind of hard to attract non-artist audience let alone potential employers to)! I think in a way it goes with the style of art/narrative - big webcomic titles aside, webcomics with a large amount of readers who aren't artists or equally struggling college students seem to be anime and maybe anthro comics. Oh well, maybe if we get to be well-off pensioners bored of our fame and bingo... \o/

Posters are easier to do though! Or cards! Calendars might be more tricky both because of binding and boring numbersy grid to do (I think some versions of InDesign and maybe even Word or Excel can generate them but still).

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